תקופת מבחנים
What a horrid day yesterday. Just horrid. Finals start tomorrow (yes, I have a final on a Friday-such chutzpa!) and as studied I heard on the news about the fighting in Amona. Not having a TV, I surfed through a few news websites and ended up listening to Arutz7 radio, live from the battlefield. Then they announced that whoever wants to see what was going on can go to the knesset channel online. Of course I went over and saw some of the worst things I've ever seen. I forgot how happy I was that i didnt have a TV during hitnatkut so I didnt have to watch it all. Police swinging their batons, chasing kids with their horses, kids throwing rocks at police, it nauseated me. If the government really just wanted to knock down the houses, why didnt they quietly just go in? Why announce exactly when your doing it a month before if you know its going to lead to violence? I'm against any use of force against our soldiers. But I've seen the police here in action. There are vicious animals. I've seen them smiling before they go and punch and kick people to the ground. But obviously both sides are to blame. One video clip showed a girl trying to push a ladder away from the roof while a cop climbed up. Then the cop took his baton and whipped the girl with it and she ran away. That girl was trying to do a horrible thing, and the cop was really saving himself. Other clips showed a cop on a horse chasing a kid and whipping him from behind. The kid was running away, what danger was the cop in that he needed to level the kid? I've seen it on their faces, the cops like to see blood.
What are these kids trying to do? Thats the part I just dont get. Obviously in a fight of force they are going to lose. So why throw rocks? It hurts your cause, because it lowers who you are, and doesnt help, because you're clearly going to lose against the army. If you really don't want the buildings to be knocked down, you have to fight with intelligence, not rocks.
So my test is tomorrow, and instead of studying, I sat here in pain watching a civil war that has been brewing for years start happening.
What are these kids trying to do? Thats the part I just dont get. Obviously in a fight of force they are going to lose. So why throw rocks? It hurts your cause, because it lowers who you are, and doesnt help, because you're clearly going to lose against the army. If you really don't want the buildings to be knocked down, you have to fight with intelligence, not rocks.
So my test is tomorrow, and instead of studying, I sat here in pain watching a civil war that has been brewing for years start happening.
posted by stillruleall at 7:37 PM
4 Comments:
What do you mean, why did they just quietly go in? These things aren't private knowledge. Obviously, these kids would have come whether it was quietly schedule or not. The question to ask is how 3,000 kids managed to get in. Why, as with the Disengagement, weren't there security forces in the area to, at least, stop some of these kids.
As the protestors stated themselves, they wanted a war, and they were going to do anything to get one, so blaming the government for not doing this quietly is pretty pointless since it never was going to happen that way.
-OC
Firstly, if there isnt an announced date then kids would come, but not the amount that came. Secondly, if they were anyway going to circle the whole mountain, they could have gone in one night quietly and circled the mountain, and then have taken them down instead of waiting til all the kids were in before sealing it off.
Secondly, some kids were quoting saying they wanted war, and obviously those kids were put on the front of every news story. Most kids came as a civil disobedience protest and got beaten for it. There is obviously a huge rift in our society here, that is nothing new, and the answer isnt to prove to the settlers that the army is stronger them then.
Actually, the answer is to show that the state's force is more powerful than the protestors. That's how you stop civil war. If the protestors are, rightly, scared of the police, it will stop them from becoming violent.
The date was announced over 8 months ago. The amount would have come, regardles, because that's what they wanted to do. These are kids. They'd would have told all their friends, like they did, so it would be a nice big fun party. Yes, I saw a bunch of kids, when the police, quietly put up their hands and walk away when the police came. Sure. Civil disobedience would have been if, when the police came, to put up their hands and aquiesce. They didn't do that. These kids are stupid for doing what they did. This wasn't a settlement question. These were 9 houses built without out permits. Dumb kids, that's all.
-OC
That is a wonderful government policy. Russia used to use it, China uses it. Keep the people scared of the police and they wont ever complain. They have a word for that kind of government....communist. In a democracy, people have a right to protest, and shouldnt be scared of the police.
How is it civil disobedience to walk away when the police come? Civil disobedience is peacefully breaking the law. if someone would have waited there and then just left when the police came, thats not civil disobedience. People that sat around the houses, or in the houses, and did nothing, were practicing civil disobedience. They did not raise their hands against anyone, and they got beaten.
Of course this was a settlement issue. Don't be naive.
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